Talk:Decolonisation of Africa

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Resistance to colonial rule in Africa[edit]

FYI, this is a requested article. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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Under Causes: Paragraph on Ghana[edit]

Is the paragraph specifically concerning the decolonization of Ghana necessary? Since the article is in reference to the decolonization of the entire continent I think including such specific details on Ghana and no other nation is unusual.

Inclusion of Ethiopia[edit]

I would like to dispute the inclusion of Ethiopia on this list. The general consensus among many is that Ethiopia is the only Africa country that was never colonized, except for that very brief period of Italian control. Considering that the Ethiopian imperial structure was restored only a few years after the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, complete with the same Emperor, it feels like we're robbing Ethiopia of its status as the only African country to successfully resist colonialism by including it on this list. Rjrya395 (talk) 01:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I do not have particularly strong feelings about this, but I would ask you to be more willing to look for consensus in future. You attempted to remove a long-standing bit of this article and got dangerously close to an edit war. WP:BRD is a good rule, and very useful in situations like this. So please wait for a consensus to develop here before attempting to make the same edit for a fourth time.
On the particular merits of this discussion, I'm not sure what you mean about "robbing" Ethiopian status. As you yourself noted, "the Italians did treat their occupation of Ethiopia as a colony". Colonisation is, by definition, defined by the outside force rather than the people ruled by it. Its duration is irrelevant. Given that this list looks at the end of colonial rule, the dismantling of Italian Ethiopia should be in it.—Brigade Piron (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I've also pointed out in that edit that Haile Selassie returned to the throne only a few years later. My main point is that, due to how extremely short the period of Italian-rule was, most people usually treat Italian Ethiopia on par with Anschluss or other annexation/occupation that occurred just prior to World War II. And by treating the East African Campaign as an equivalent to Algeria or Angola fighting for their independence, we are ignoring the general consensus, which includes the CIA and other African countries, that Ethiopia is the only country in Africa to have never been colonized. Rjrya395 (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Rjrya395: @Brigade Piron: please stop edit warring over this issue. The talk page is the correct place to discuss this, and if there is a serious dispute then perhaps an RFC may be required to come to a conclusion. For the record though, the assertion that the inclusion of Ethiopia is long-standing is not correct. The longterm situation is that Ethiopia is not included, and a note was in place to that effect, which I have now restored. The change to have it in the list was only made very recently :[1] and apparently without discussion. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Rjrya395 (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I think Ethiopia should not be included. It was a military occupation that was condemned by the world and the "de-" part = reversed by British military force. Rjensen (talk) 00:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually Ethiopia was administered as a colony. Italians built building, roads, etc. and there were about 100,000 settlers. It wasn't a military occupation LucaGaletti95 (talk) 12:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

So? It doesn't changed the fact that it lasted only five years with Haile Selassie returning to the throne. Rjrya395 (talk) 20:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

What has the number of years got to do with it? LucaGaletti95 (talk) 22:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

the article is not about colonization it's about something else. Ethiopia was not actually decolonized in the usual sense. The Italians were expelled by Brits and the emperor resumed his old role. The RS on decolonization exclude it and so should Wikipedia. Rjensen (talk) 01:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Major problems[edit]

the useful part of the article is the well-done chart showing all the colonies involved the main text is not well done it all, and does not closely follow the the reliable sources. I will try to fix that, starting with the French overseas empire. I deleted several sections that look at the late 20th early 21st centuries, long after decolonization took place. Rjensen (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll be honest, for a top-importance article, I'm kind of shock how... empty this is. Rjrya395 (talk) 02:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC)