Category talk:Data management
|This category is of interest to the following WikiProjects:|
- 1 Data management committee
- 2 suggested subcategory: Transaction management
- 3 the scope of data management
- 4 Data integration tools subcategory
- 5 Interwiki
- 6 E Pakistan News Group
- 7 Mohammad Shahbaz Khan
- 8 "Data management" not limited to databases
- 9 SQL and E. F. Codd
Data management committee
Hello! I am KeyStroke. What I have been doing is organizing "Category:Data managment" to include as many of the Wikipedia articles that relate to the topic of Data Management.
I have solicited each of the individuals who have had a non-trivial contribution to an article within this category, and who have a user-id, to participate with me in forming a Data Management Wiki Committee.
Our first order of business is to create a roster, here, in this discussion page.
If you are willing to participate as a member of the Data Management Wiki Committee, please add your three tilde signature here:
(... soon to be known as the Data Management WikiProject ...)
- David Gerard
- Poor Yorick
- DavidCary 16:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
OK - its been at least a week. Enough time for people to respond. So, the question on the table now is this: What will be the "mission statement" for our project? Until I sent out notices, I did not know that everyday people could define a "Wikiproject". But now that has been clarified, I think the next step is to define what that Wikiproject shall be, its goals, and measures. KeyStroke
Please respond after this sentence.
Use as intro resource and proposed breakdown into four main areas
My use of Wikipedia is to get a high-level overview of various areas of study especially from the perspective of a (reasonably) intelligent lay reader. So one key criterion that I'd like is a series of articles that can act as a general introduction to data management for the initial practitioner in this field such as, for example, an initial CompSci student. In particular, a solid set of articles in one of those nice boxes used by many other Wikipedia article collections. Secondarily, Wikipedia should be a handy resource for practitioners; however, many specific details needed for practicing professionals would not be properly encyclopedic. Still, Wikipedia should (ideally) be considered the initial resource to get the "20 thousand foot perspective" even for professionals. To start off, we might want to thrash out some of the major topics which, I imagine, would break down into the main areas of: (1) on-going research, (2) established theory, (3) general application principals/tools, and (4) specific application principal/tools. Note how this breakdown moves towards ever-more tangible applications (or we might want to reverse the categories to help draw in Wikipedia users). A good benchmark of success is when people start referencing the data-management Wikipedia articles in webpages outside of Wikipedia. WpZurp 11:54, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
busy, Wormhole theorem
Just thought I'd let you know I'm still around... I'm not really playing around with transaction processing stuff any more. I'm learning microeconomics, so I'm contributing to that for now. That said, it would be nice to write up the Wormhole theorem, if I ever get some free time...
--Clausen 00:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Is there a list somewhere of datamangement topics? Also we should make a list and work from there, and also, since lists are not copyrightable, we should take a list from a database website and add in articles that aren't on Wikipedia now. --ShaunMacPherson 13:55, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Problems to avoid
If you've been around the mathematics articles you'll see they are very pendantic and dont bother to explain the concepts and assume you know what they are talking about.
- articles that can act as a general introduction to data management for the initial practitioner in this field such as, for example, an initial CompSci student.
I agree with this, this should be our target audience then. Not Ph.D in comp sci, like some math articles seem to be aimed at Ph.D. students :|. --ShaunMacPherson 13:55, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Responses to invitation to participate
KeyStroke, thanks for your interest and enthusiasm in this topic, and I intend to continue to contribute in this area occasionally. However, I'm not sure what need your committee is fulfilling and if you could clarify it that would be appreciated.
- What are you trying to achieve?
- Why do we need an organisation to do it?
- Have you considered the Wikipedia:WikiProject approach, which is the standard way of organising people to tackle a specific subject area in Wikipedia? I'm not saying there's no room for alternatives, but I'd like a reason to go with another approach?
Again, thanks for your interest, and hopefully we can cooperate to achieve better coverage of these important topics in Wikipedia. --Robert Merkel 01:22, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I also think a WikiProject might be the best way to do this. There is a template for starting a project at Template:WikiProject which will give you a good basis to start from. Having a to do list related to this category would also be helpful. Angela. 01:35, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject for the appropriate approach. Note that projects set guidelines of various sorts but they do not have the sort of formal structure of rules and officers which appears to be contemplated here. Solidification, in particular, is something to be avoided. Please do continue the excellent work you're doing in categorising things in this area - it's very welcome! Jamesday 01:38, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The project looks good. A WikiProject is probably the way to go, in that it harnesses the power of self-organisation, rather than starting with a hierarchy ... and also, this is a wiki: we can't tell other people what to do, even if they're doing something stupid ... we can only try to make it easier for them to do things that aren't stupid ;-) In the capacity of a WikiProject, I've added my name to the list - David Gerard 13:34, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
suggested subcategory: Transaction management
It seems that there are several articles on database transaction management. New category? Emact 02:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
the scope of data management
What is the scope of category: data management?
Sometimes I'm a bit fuzzy on whether to slap
[[Category:Data management]] (or one of its sub-categories) on an article.
Should I put it on hard drive and related technology (RAID, SAN, etc.)? Should I put it on Telecommunication and related technology ( data compression and encryption, Signalling System 7, etc.)? What about error detection and correction?
--DavidCary 16:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Data integration tools subcategory
I'd like to make a subcategory (or just a category) for data integration tools. The only ones I know of are DTS, its replacement (SQL Data integration services?) and Sunopsis. Others, and a good name for the category? Stevage 21:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Most of interwikies are invalid - it point to categories which actually means "Databases". I think the better way - to delete ALL interwikies and let bots to set it again correctly. DixonD (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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Mohammad Shahbaz Khan
"Data management" not limited to databases
Shouldn't be limited to "database management". There only 2 templates about databases, we need more navigational templates in other fields.
SQL and E. F. Codd
Hi, I am a new editor and hope this is a good place to ask.
I found a remark in database normalization about Edgar_F._Codd being dissatisfied with SQL, with sources and everything. Then in his biographic article, a long paragraph seems to have details on the creation of SQL but misses sources, while opposing claims were made on the talk page (edit: opposing the content of the paragraph). The author was blocked years ago for rather unrelated infractions. I probably shouldn't outright delete that part.
If there is a schism between Codd's pure relational model and SQL, as I am being led to believe, shouldn't that still be included somewhere, e.g. in the SQL article? Conversely, Codd's personal opinion might have a good place in the personal article, whereas a relevant concern could be cited directly in the normalization lemma.