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J. Clifford Baxter[edit]

The Wikipedia article on J. Clifford Baxter says that his cause of death is undecided and his death certificate unsigned and left open, and doesn't mention anything about him leaving a suicide note. I don't know which is correct, this article or the Baxter one, but someone who does know what actually happened ought to fix the inconsistancy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.196.64 (talkcontribs) 23:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

203.40.101.140 (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)==Kurt Cobain==

Get that note off the front page. First of all, Kurt didn't commit suicide. Second of all, even if he did, it is stupid to have his note on there.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.253.216 (talkcontribs) 05:30, 15 April 2005 (UTC)

LET ME DELETE THIS OFF OF HERE, AND KEEP IT LIKE THAT-- EVEN IF HE DID KILL HIMSELF, IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO PUT HIS SUICIDE NOTE ON AN ENCYCLOPEDIA!.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.253.216 (talkcontribs) 05:00, 19 April 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but the VERY commonly held view is that he did commit suicide. The note is entirely appropriate for an article on suicide notes. Suicide notes are often part of a person's efforts to end their lives. If you don't think a suicide note from someone who people believe committed suicide is appropriate, then pray tell what person who committed suicide do you think we should disrespect by publishing their suicide note here? Sorry, the note is reinstated. --Durin 14:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It says "alleged suicide note" and serves as a fine example whether it's authentic or not. Also, having a famous person's writing (even claimed one) can be somewhat better interpreted/felt/understood than a completely fictional or "unknown" person's.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.231.240.27 (talkcontribs) 12:47, 11 June 2005 UTC

I suggest the removal of the word 'only' from the fact about Dead's suicide. His suicide note was about a paragraph long.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.144.161 (talkcontribs) 23:46, 26 April 2005 (UTC)

Then remove it! :) "be bold" --Durin 20:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Enough with the argumentum ad populum! It wasn't a suicide note. It's been made painfully obvious that the last few lines were added by Courtney. It was a note about his intentions to leave Courtney and the music business. It was common knowledge at the time that Kurt planned on leaving Nirvana quite soon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.88.69 (talkcontribs) 23:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This is very POV. I think the note is appropriate. I don't care if you personally feel it's immoral, let's stop living in fantasy land. People committ suicide, Cobain among them, and this article is here to document this very real occurrence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 07:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

"Alleged" in image caption[edit]

I am removing the "alleged" part of "Kurt Cobain's alleged suicide note" and I suggest it remain that way unless someone can give a very good reason as to why it should be there. I understand there many conspiracy theorists on the subject of his death, but the fact remains that the vast majority of the population accept this as a suicide (and I assume by extension that "they" accept this note as his handwriting).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.204.87 (talkcontribs) 23:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

So an ENCYCLOPEDIA should conform solely to the most widely preferred POV? It's not Kurt's suicide note, the last few lines were written in COURTNEY LOVE's handwriting. You want facts, there you go. Regardless, to use the old saying, if the "vast majority" jumped off a cliff, would you do it? (70.49.89.207 22:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

I concur with the above. It shouldn't be here since this is a category about suicide note. This is simply an ALLEGED suicide note. There aren't "many consdpiracy theories", there's one "theory" that's relatively simple and obvious. Encyclopedia's cannot be governed by argumentum ad populum, and I TIED a while ago to add a handwriting analysis for consideration, but surprise, it was removed. This is one of those instances where Wikipedia fails to live up to it's NPOV claims.

I apologize if I seem harsh, I am merely frustrated with the lack of consideration for other theories that have legitimate basis.

A "vast majority" is irrelevant, but that's just me repeating myself. However that point does need to be stressed. I can see I'm on identical terms to the above reply, I was about to type the exact same saying.

I believe I've posted this before but:

Fact: The official toxicology report showed Kurt had three times the lethal dose of heroine. Proponents of the suicide theory will claim that severe addicts have greater tolerance, which is true, but note that the maximum lethal dose has been proven to be 75-80mg for a 150 PB SEVERE ADDICT (Platt, J.J., Heroin Addiction: Theory, Research, and Treatment, 2nd edition, Robert E. Krieger Publishing Company, Malabar, Florida, USA, 1986.) Yet Kurt weghed 115 pbs at the time of his death, amd had been at rehab for a while, which would have altered his tolerance for sure. Larger figures may also be provided by those who fail to take into account the near-instant transformation into morphine as heroine enters the blood.

Fact: Little could be found at the scene, yet Kurt allegedly shot himself in the head. While it is true that heroine slows the blood flow, head wounds tend to bleed excessively.

Fact: Sgt. Cameron of the Seattle police Department admitted 2 years later that there were no markings on Kurt's hands indicating he had fired the weapon.

Fact: In the "Rome Incident", Kurt survived the Rohypnol/alcohol combination, though he couldn't remember what happened, a side-effect of Rohypnol abuse. Rohypnol is an odourless drug which dissolves quite easily, hence it's nickname, the "date-rape drug". The prescription was Courtney's, and Private Investigator Tom Grant found empty packets of the prescription with her name on it when he searched the Cobain home on April 7th.

Fact: Eldon Hoke (aka "El Duce"), singer of a band called the Mentors, claimed he was offered $50,000 by Courtney Love three months earlier to kill her husband. On March 6, 1996, Hoke was administered a polygraph test by Dr. Edward Gelb, who is one of the country's leading polygraph experts. He was also teaching the advanced polygraph course for the FBI. Hoke passed a lie detector test with 99.7% certainty that he was telling the truth. He spread this informatiob through the documentary "Kurt & Courtney". 8 days later he was found dead.

Fact: Courtney canceled his credit card right after he used it to purchase a flight back home to Seattle on April 1st, and according to the police report, all 4 tires of his car were flat.

Fact: In the summer of 1993, Kurt experienced what he called "a miracle". After years of consulting specialists about his debilitating stomach pain, he found a doctor who finally diagnosed the problem - a pinched nerve relating to his scoliosis. From this point on, many people detected a change in Kurt's personality; "Kurt became a new person after that. He stopped retreating into the dark side that everybody came to associate with him and actually seemed cheerful. Part of it was Frances, I think, but the stomach thing was the most important". (Dylan Carlson, "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?" page 86).

Some unanswered questions:

Were any trajectory tests done to show what the position of the shotgun was when it was fired? If not why weren't they done?

Why did Courtney pretend to be Kurt's mother when calling in the missing person's report to the SPD on April 4th?

Lastly: Handwriting analysis, [1] 70.49.88.69 23:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sentence in intro[edit]

"Research indicates that suicide notes have a profound effect on the grief of those who read them." In what way? Positive or negative? Can someone clarify this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.204.87 (talkcontribs) 23:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind, the very next section takes care of that.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.204.87 (talkcontribs) 23:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
It does not - it says that one reason against leaving a suicide note is that it might act to increase the grief of those left behind. Does the research support this? Where's the links to the research, anyway?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.12.79.249 (talkcontribs) 14:01, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Right. Very annoying. Who wrote that section anyway?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.19.86 (talkcontribs) 16:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

O.J. Simpson[edit]

Has OJ Simpson commited suicide?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.66.202.23 (talkcontribs) 09:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

  • No, but he did write a suicide note. --Durin 16:20, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

But it is not truly a suicide note if he didn't follow through. I mean, I could write my own suicide note, with no intentions of following through with it, simply to get attention. How do you know this isn't what O.J. did? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.14.203 (talkcontribs) 09:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Suicide notes?[edit]

I was wondering if it's possible to create a list of suicide notes (with their contents) on Wikipedia (or would it go in Wikiquote or Wikisource)? I'm not sure if it violates the GFDL or any other policy. Gflores Talk 02:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Stats[edit]

Some stats on what percent of folks leave notes would be nice.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.136.198 (talkcontribs) 07:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added some stats from a book I got out of the library. How many leave notes depends on the country. In the US, where TV has led people to believe that all suicides leave notes, about 25 to 30% do. In most other countries it's between 5 and 15%. It's nowhere near as common as pop culture would have people believe. That's why authorities don't pay attention when families scream and rage that their loved one couldn't have committed suicide, no way no how, because they didn't leave a note: most suicides don't. --Charlene 02:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sid Vicious[edit]

It is highly debatable as to whether or not Sid Vicious committed suicide - most people think he just ODed on heroin by accident. It's not like it hadn't happened before. In fact, some people believe his own mother gave him the fatal overdose. In any case, he either needs to be taken off the front page as having written a "suicide note" or he needs to be prefaced as only a "possible suicide." It is irresponsible to leave this as-is.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.41.24 (talkcontribs) 04:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Edited. The quote from the poem was even off. Sheesh.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.41.24 (talkcontribs) 04:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright status[edit]

Over on Wikisource, there's a category for Public Domain suicide notes: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:PD-suicide. I've never heard that suicide notes might be in the public domain; does anyone know what this belief is based on? --Gwern (contribs) 04:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Arguments that do not have consensus on the English Wikisource. --Benn Newman 22:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

R Budd Dwyer[edit]

Was the note he actually read the suicide note or what the note given to his wife completely different? Mfullererie 04:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Online Suicide Notes[edit]

If there any information on the number of people who publish their own suicide notes online, in forums or blogs? 86.29.245.0 16:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

According to Dr. Lenora Olson ...[edit]

Why is that needed? Her article is a stub and doesn't do much to establish notability. There are lots of American academics and folks who do doctoral dissertations on various topics. - Ageekgal (talk) 21:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Mitchell Heisman[edit]

Why does Mitchell Heisman lose his specific entry while every single other person under the "Famous notes" headings has their own separate page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.248.10.11 (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Probably because it's so recent that it's hard to gauge notability. There's a discussion about it hereƵ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 18:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm still lost as to why Wikipedia refused to approve a page on Mitchell Heisman. He has written what has the potential to be one of the most notable philosophy papers of our time. It is extremely well researched and written and although the circumstances on which it arisen are controversial, being a suicide, the book should not be ignored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.254.153 (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2011 (UTC) If you read the pdf paper her predicted that his findings would be suppressed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.47 (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)